{"id":7358,"date":"2018-01-26T02:33:17","date_gmt":"2018-01-26T10:33:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/?p=7358"},"modified":"2018-01-26T02:33:17","modified_gmt":"2018-01-26T10:33:17","slug":"marc-martin-uloga-skrivenih-prostora-u-istoriji-gej-naroda","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/marc-martin-uloga-skrivenih-prostora-u-istoriji-gej-naroda\/","title":{"rendered":"Marc Martin: Uloga skrivenih prostora u istoriji gej naroda"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"authors-links dark-link\"><span class=\"author-name\"><strong>Razgovarao:<\/strong> <strong>Milan \u017divanovi\u0107<\/strong> <\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"article-teaser\"><em>Kao \u0161to je govorio \u017dil Delez, linije bega iz dru\u0161tva od kojeg se trpi neka opresija ne predstavljaju nikakav povratak prirodi, ve\u0107 samo izlazak iz odre\u0111ene teritorije, a da bi se zadovoljila \u017eelja koju to dru\u0161tvo brani. Negde na toj mapi nalaze se i popularna mesta za takozvani kruzing, praksu u okviru koje mu\u0161karci tra\u017ee anoniman seks sa drugim mu\u0161karcima, a na skrovitim mestima, daleko od o\u010diju onih koji takve prakse, i seks uop\u0161te, osu\u0111uju. Praktikovanje ovakvih radnji u modernom dru\u0161tvu, te paralelno sa savremenim tokovima borbe za gej prava, potpuno je skrajnuto, budu\u0107i da se zajednica ve\u0107 decenijama trudi da spre\u010di svo\u0111enje gej pojedinca na seksualni \u010din.<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-7360 aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-05-Swc.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"810\" height=\"540\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-05-Swc.jpg 810w, https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-05-Swc-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-05-Swc-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 810px) 100vw, 810px\" \/><\/em><\/div>\n<div>Kraj devedesetih godina pro\u0161log veka obele\u017eio je jednu od najve\u0107ih kriza kada je kruzing sistem u pitanju, pa su one vojske mu\u0161karaca koje su se vekovima suo\u010davale sa rizicima koje nosi anonimni seks na skrovitim mestima, \u010desto usput rizikuju\u0107i i \u017eivot, jedva do\u010dekale pojavu interneta, te brzo i radosno migrirale ka onome \u0161to \u0107e vrlo brzo postati digitalni kruzing. Kao \u0161to o\u010dnjaci zakr\u017eljaju brzo po\u0161to meso\u017eder prestane da lovi, tako su i odre\u0111eni instinkti kod pomenutih mu\u0161karaca nestali, ili se bar deformisali, \u0161to je ostanak u ormaru u\u010dinilo jo\u0161 privla\u010dnijom idejom. Za razliku od svojih \u0161umskih ro\u0111aka, te onih koji su zadovoljstvo tra\u017eili u javnim toaletima, digitalni kruzeri danas rizikuju jedino to da ostanu bez omiljene fotografije, \u0161to i ne bi bila velika \u0161teta, budu\u0107i da takvom tipu fotografija obi\u010dno nedostaje glava objekta.<\/div>\n<div>\n<p>O ovoj temi <strong>razgovarali smo sa francuskim fotografom, Marcom Martinom<\/strong>, \u010dija se izlo\u017eba \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.schwulesmuseum.de\/en\/exhibitions\/view\/marc-martin-fenster-zum-klo-public-toilets-private-affairs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Public Toilets, Private Affairs<\/em><\/a>\u201d bavi upravo ovom temom.<\/p>\n<p><strong>*Da li svojim fotografijama istra\u017euje\u0161 isklju\u010divo svoju fantaziju, ili je tu i pone\u0161to \u010dega jo\u0161 uvek ima u svakodnevnom \u017eivotu gej mu\u0161karaca?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc:<\/strong> Ono \u0161to poku\u0161avam da uradim kao fotograf je da osvetlim i raskrinkam ono \u0161to drugi instinktivno poku\u0161avaju da sakriju, \u010dega se stide, pa \u010dak i ono \u0161to smatraju odvratnim. Tako mislim da na\u0161e super-higijensko dru\u0161tvo poku\u0161ava da sakrije sve \u0161to je u vezi sa seksom, \u0161to se de\u0161ava u okviru neke subkulture. Javni toaleti su oduvek imali lo\u0161u reputaciju, pa se danas niko ne bavi zna\u010dajem koji imaju za istoriju gej zajednice. Sve do kraja osamdesetih godina pro\u0161log veka ova mesta su bila klju\u010dna u \u017eivotima gej mu\u0161karaca koji tra\u017ee avanturu i kontakt, te su se na njima prepoznavali i sastajali. Svojim radom poku\u0161avam da odam po\u010dast tim izgubljenim generacijama koje su bile osu\u0111ene na sastajanja na skrovitim mestima, i na taj na\u010din sagradim most izme\u0111u svoje umetni\u010dke vizije sa jedne strane, i istorijskih \u010dinjenica sa druge. A na tim mestima nije dolazilo samo do anonimnih seksualnih odnosa, ve\u0107 su se formirale i veze, koje su u nekim slu\u010dajevima trajale decenijama. Takav oblik upoznavanja danas skoro da vi\u0161e ne postoji, ali jo\u0161 uvek predstavlja tabu jer ga ne posmatramo sa dovoljno velike udaljenosti. Mislim da moje fotografije vra\u0107aju boju tim davno zaboravljenim mestima, a najve\u0107i izazov mi je bio da reinterpretiram ose\u0107aj senzualnosti koji je nu\u017eno bio pome\u0161an sa strahom.<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-7361 alignright\" src=\"http:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-01-twc.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-01-twc.jpg 400w, https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-01-twc-180x180.jpg 180w, https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/01\/Marc-01-twc-300x300.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/>*Jesu li te fotografije zami\u0161ljene kao ilustracije za alternativnu gej istoriju, ili su ipak samo proizvod umetnosti koji nikako nije ukorenjen u realnosti?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc:<\/strong> Ve\u0107 sam pomenuo da \u010desto kombinujem fikciju sa istorijskim \u010dinjenicama, a tu mi je nekako najva\u017enije da i danas mu\u0161karce koji su imali seks na ovakvim mestima smatramo kukavicama. I pitam se: zar se upravo na taj na\u010din nisu suprotstavljali zabranama? Javni toaleti su uvek smatrani za mesta na kojima se nalaze opasni ljudi, odvojeni od prirode \u010doveka uop\u0161te, i ja tom stereotipu suprotstavljam svoje fotografije, na kojima su nasmejana lica i uspaljeni mu\u0161karci u, bar se meni tako \u010dini, uzbudljivom okru\u017eenju. Ako su Marcel Proust, Jean Genet, Henry Miller, Paul Verlaine i Arthur Rimbaud nalazili inspiraciju na ovakvim mestima, ko smo mi da tvrdimo druga\u010dije. A ona je poticala od toga \u0161to su ova prljava mesta u sebi imala i veliku dozu misterije. I njihova proza, te poezija, tako\u0111e je ugra\u0111ena u zidove queer muzeja, a na\u0161le su mesto i u mom katalogu, fino kombinovane sa grafitima, intervjuima i fotografijama.<\/p>\n<p><strong>*Da li su ti mu\u0161karci dobrovoljno birali kruzing ili je to ipak posledica dru\u0161tvenih pritisaka?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc: <\/strong>Opresija je svakako igrala veliku ulogu, posebno me\u0111u pripadnicima starijih generacija. Pre digitalizacije i aplikacija za upoznavanje, ovi mu\u0161karci nisu imali mnogo izbora. Tako su prljava i smrdljiva mesta postala centar dru\u0161tvenih me\u0161anja i interakcija svih vrsta. Tu su se nalazili i gej i strejt pripadnici razli\u010ditih klasa, i stari i mladi, te se nije gledalo na kulturnu i versku pripadnost \u2013 svi su bili jedno.<\/p>\n<p><strong>*Dakle, kruzing je va\u017ean deo gej istorije?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc:<\/strong> \u010cinjenica da je jedan LGBT muzej u svoju postavku uklju\u010dio i moje fotografije, ukazuje da je tako. Istina je da je ova tema dugo bila, i jo\u0161 uvek jeste, ne\u0161to \u0161to se krije, razlog za sram, \u010dak i me\u0111u pripadnicima gej zajednice, a to je zbog toga \u0161to moderan \u010dovek \u010desto brzo zaboravlja nevolje iz pro\u0161losti, te tako i \u010dinjenicu da je homoseksualnost dugo bila zabranjena zakonom, a u nekim zemljama jo\u0161 uvek jeste. Tako mu\u0161karci nisu imali izbora do da se na\u0111u u javnim toaletima, koji su smatrani neutralnom teritorijom. Da li je i danas tako u zemljama u kojima je homoseksualnost i dalje zabranjena? Ne znam, jo\u0161 uvek ne znam.<\/p>\n<p><strong>*Kako obja\u0161njava\u0161 distancu koju ve\u0107ina savremenih gej mu\u0161karaca pravi u odnosu na ovu aktivnost?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc:<\/strong> Sre\u0107om, mla\u0111e generacije gej mu\u0161karaca u ve\u0107ini zapadnih zemalja danas mogu da se upoznaju mnogo prirodnije, i bezbednije. Razlog za moju izlo\u017ebu nije nostalgija, jer retko ko \u017eali za tim vremenima. Ne uop\u0161te. Queer zajednica danas \u017eestoko promovi\u0161e nove na\u010dine upoznavanja, trude\u0107i se da se \u0161to vi\u0161e udalji od pro\u0161losti, ali su mla\u0111e generacije u svetu aplikacija potpuno izgubile spontanost koja je nekad postojala, a i hrabrost. U javnim toaletima je neo\u010dekivano i nepoznato bilo sastavni deo rituala, pa i seksualnog uzbu\u0111enja. Bilo je neophodno da se u\u010dini neki potez, da se rizikuje kako bi se do\u0161lo do kontakta. I nije se radilo samo o ispunjavanju fantazije, dobro, mo\u017eda u nekim slu\u010dajevima jeste, ve\u0107 i o povezivanju i razmeni. Mla\u0111e generacije misle da se mnogo razlikuju, iako se na njihovim online profilima sve vidi, nema vi\u0161e nikakve misterije. Mnogo pre nego \u0161to i pomisle da se upoznaju ve\u0107 znaju svaku ta\u010dku na telu onog drugog. Mislim da tu nema ni\u010dega uzbudljivog, o bliskosti i da ne govorim.<\/p>\n<p>Kada su u pitanju moje fotografije, \u010dak i na onim najeksplicitnijim ostavim odre\u0111enu koli\u010dinu nepoznatog, jer \u017eelim da ilustrujem tu neizvesnost, napetost. Zato i biram modele ametere koji se ne poznaju, te se prvi put sre\u0107u na mestu snimanja, i od toga kre\u0107emo.<\/p>\n<p><strong>*Kako vidi\u0161 kruzing u savremenoj kulturi? Na primer u scenama iz filma Beach Rats?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Marc:<\/strong> Super mi je \u0161to moje fotografije povezuje\u0161 ba\u0161 sa scenama iz tog filma. Jo\u0161 uvek ga nisam pogledao, ali u trejleru sam mogao da prepoznam istu dozu tenzije, mra\u010dnu atmosferu kruzing scene. Da, sjajan \u00a0kompliment.<\/p>\n<p>Zanimljivo mi je i \u0161to je taj film napravila \u017eena, budu\u0107i da tokom svog rada razmi\u0161ljam i o pravima \u017eena. Koliko god da su mu\u0161karci rizikovali anonimnim susretima, queer \u017eene nisu imale ni tu mogu\u0107nost, jer je, jo\u0161 jednom, bila osmi\u0161ljena od strane mu\u0161karaca i isklju\u010divo za mu\u0161karce. To je negde i u vezi sa ranim borbama za ravnopravnost, koja se ticala i zahteva za jednakost u toaletima. Ali to nije oti\u0161lo daleko. Tako je pi\u0161anje u nekom velikom gradu XIX veka bila samo mu\u0161ka stvar, \u0161to nas negde vra\u0107a na rana pitanja o rodu i ravnopravnosti.<\/p>\n<p>I \u017eene odli\u010dno reaguju na moj projekat. Ka\u017eu da im pru\u017ea pogled u svet koji im je uvek bio zabranjen, i mogu\u0107nost da \u010duju anegdote iz ovakvih avantura, a sve pri\u010daju jednu pri\u010du: pri\u010du o slobodi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>***<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Postavka <a href=\"http:\/\/www.schwulesmuseum.de\/en\/exhibitions\/view\/marc-martin-fenster-zum-klo-public-toilets-private-affairs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\"><em>Public Toilets, Private Affairs<\/em><\/a> se nalazi u berlinskom muzeju Schwules, a izlo\u017eba traje do 19. februara. Postoji i <a href=\"http:\/\/www.marcmartin.paris\/shop.php\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">istoimena monografija<\/a>, a oni koji budu po\u017eeleli da saznaju vi\u0161e o radu ovog umetnika mogu to da u\u010dine na njegovom <a href=\"http:\/\/www.marcmartin.paris\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">web-sajtu<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Izvor: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.xxzmagazin.com\/javni-toaleti-privatne-radnje\">XXZ magazin<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Razgovarao: Milan \u017divanovi\u0107 Kao \u0161to je govorio \u017dil Delez, linije bega iz dru\u0161tva od kojeg se trpi neka opresija ne predstavljaju nikakav povratak prirodi, ve\u0107 samo izlazak iz odre\u0111ene teritorije, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":7359,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[17],"tags":[143,94,28,173,295],"class_list":["post-7358","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-stav","tag-interwiev","tag-istorija","tag-srbija","tag-visual-art","tag-xxz-magazin"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - 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