{"id":2161,"date":"2016-11-17T23:39:25","date_gmt":"2016-11-18T07:39:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/?p=2161"},"modified":"2016-11-17T23:39:25","modified_gmt":"2016-11-18T07:39:25","slug":"olga-dimitrijevic-lakse-priznati-da-si-lezbejka-nego-da-slusas-folk","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/gayecho.com\/news\/olga-dimitrijevic-lakse-priznati-da-si-lezbejka-nego-da-slusas-folk\/","title":{"rendered":"Olga Dimitrijevi\u0107: Lak\u0161e priznati da si lezbejka, nego da slu\u0161a\u0161 folk"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><em>Olga Dimitrijevi\u0107, dramska spisateljica, povodom premijere &#8220;Narodne drame&#8221; govori o patrijarhatu, kulturnom elitizmu, politi\u010dkom potencijalu narodne muzike<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Veoma mi je drago \u0161to se &#8216;Narodna drama&#8217; napokon igra u Narodnom pozori\u0161tu, pre svega, zato \u0161to sam od po\u010detka \u017eelela da se ba\u0161 ovaj komad igra u toj ku\u0107i.Tako\u0111e mislim da je zna\u010dajno da je tekst do\u017eiveo svoju drugu inscenaciju, \u0161to nije \u010desta pojava u na\u0161em pozori\u0161tu kada je savremena drama u pitanju&#8221;, ka\u017ee Olga Dimitrijevi\u0107, nagra\u0111ivana dramska spisateljica i autorka teksta &#8220;Narodna drama&#8221;. Premijera ovog komada\u00a0 odr\u017eana je sino\u0107\u00a0 u Narodnom pozori\u0161tu u Beogradu. Predstavu je re\u017eirala Bojana Lazi\u0107, dramaturgiju su radili Molina Udovi\u010dki Fotez i Slobodan Obradovi\u0107, a naslovne uloge igraju Ana Mandi\u0107, Sena \u0110orovi\u0107, Ivan Markovi\u0107, Anastasia Mandi\u0107 i Slobodan Be\u0161ti\u0107.<\/p>\n<div id=\"stcpDiv\">\n<p><strong>* Narodna drama u Narodnom pozori\u0161tu s narodnom muzikom. Na prvu loptu deluje kompatibilno, kada ovaj komad ne bi bio anga\u017eovana lezbejska narodna melodrama, \u0161to mo\u017eda mo\u017ee biti izazovno za na\u0161u konzervativnu javnost?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Jeste, u pitanju je anga\u017eovana lezbejska melodrama s puno folk muzike. Ni lezbejske teme ni folk muzika nisu prisutni u institucijama kulture, iz razli\u010ditih razloga, ali rekla bih da odsustvo obe stvari ima veze sa strukturalnim konzervativizmom. S jedne strane i dalje je tu homofobija, a s druge kulturni elitizam koji zanemaruje va\u017enost popularne kulture za su\u0161tinsku analizu dru\u0161tvenog i afektivnog konteksta.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* U kakvoj je funkciji narodna muzika u ovom komadu?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Folk muzika \u010dini saundtrek &#8220;Narodne drame&#8221;, i ona je integralni deo sveta tog komada, i istovremeno i jednog dela na\u0161eg sveta. U pitanju je muzika kroz koju se, naizgled jednostavnim jezikom, na jedan implicitni na\u010din oslikava dru\u0161tveno marginalna pozicija aktera i artikuli\u0161u najrazli\u010ditiji afekti. Ukratko, u drami smo u jednoj varo\u0161ici, u kojoj se svet okre\u0107e naglava\u010dke: devojka iz ugledne porodice, Anka, zaljubljuje se u kafansku peva\u010dicu Branku, koja dolazi da peva u kafani njenog sve\u017eeg supruga, i tu kre\u0107e jedna prava ljubavna melodrama. Kao kod Fasbindera, njih dve se vole, a tre\u0107i im smeta, a taj tre\u0107i je svet sam. Zato i suze dolaze, zato \u0161to je svet, odnosno dru\u0161tveni poredak, tako te\u0161ko promeniti.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* \u0160ta ste \u017eeleli da istaknete time \u0161to &#8220;Narodna drama&#8221; govori o ljubavi dve \u017eene?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Ni\u0161ta. \u017delela sam prosto da pi\u0161em o ljubavi dve \u017eene. Ovo jeste komad koji pre svega govori o ljubavi i slobodi, ali nije komad u kom nam lezbejska ljubavna pri\u010da slu\u017ei kao metafora za postizanje neke druge poente o dru\u0161tvu, nego to jeste lezbejska ljubavna pri\u010da i to jeste bacanje svetla na zanemarene i pre\u0107utkivane teme kod nas u javnom govoru. \u017delela sam da temu lezbejske ljubavi oblikujem izvan \u010desto suvoparnog diskursa ljudskih prava, dnevnopoliti\u010dkih prepucavanja i sli\u010dnih mejnstrim odrednica, i da se dubinski pozabavim \u017eivljenim iskustvom i kompleksnostima koje ono nosi. U ovom komadu se svi vole, i Anka i Branka, i roditelji i deca, i iz najve\u0107e ljubavi, a zbog dru\u0161tvenih normi, povre\u0111uju jedni druge. Samim tim ovo je i duboko politi\u010dki komad, koji svoju politiku ne artikuli\u0161e jezikom dnevne politike nego sasvim druga\u010dije, kroz prikazivanje \u0161irokog emotivnog spektra u odre\u0111enom kontekstu.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* Kakvu ulogu prema va\u0161em mi\u0161ljenju ima patrijarhat u na\u0161em dru\u0161tvu?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Savremena Srbija je izuzetno patrijarhalna dr\u017eava. Uprkos emancipacijskom proboju koji je doneo socijalizam i \u017eenska borba, patrijarhalni mehanizmi nikad nisu bili demontirani do kraja, kao uostalom u celom svetu. Me\u0111utim, ja tako\u0111e verujem da patrijarhat nije sistem vrednosti u kom se 90 odsto ose\u0107a fantasti\u010dno, a ostatak se batrga. Daleko manji broj ljudi se istinski ose\u0107a sjajno igraju\u0107i uloge koje je nametnulo ne\u0161to toliko stravi\u010dno kao \u0161to je patrijarhat. Svi oni u svojim privatnim \u017eivotima biju silne bitke i zapravo su strahovito nesre\u0107ni zbog patrijarhata. Naravno, njime su apsolutno najvi\u0161e pogo\u0111ene \u017eene, ali uvek treba skrenuti pa\u017enju i na to koliko je patrijarhat su\u0161tinski poguban i po mu\u0161karce. Ovo je, izme\u0111u ostalog, komad koji, da opet citiram Fasbindera, govori o tome koliko je sama ljubav najperfidniji, najpodmukliji izvor dru\u0161tvene represije.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* Da se vratimo jo\u0161 jednom na narodnu muziku. Rekli ste da vam je bilo lak\u0161e da se autujete kao lezbejka nego da priznate svetu da slu\u0161ate narodnu muziku. Za\u0161to, kako je to izgledalo?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Kulturno umetni\u010dki krug u kom se kre\u0107em je mnogo liberalnije nastrojen spram razli\u010ditih seksualnosti nego \u0161to je sposoban da prevazi\u0111e sopstveni elitizam kada je narodna muzika u pitanju. To je bilo znatno izra\u017eenije pre nekoliko godina, sada ve\u0107 imamo druga\u010dije glasove \u0161to u umetnosti \u0161to u akademskim radovima koji su pitanju folka pristupili sa daleko kompleksnijih pozicija. Folk se ne sme generalizovati, ta muzika ima \u010ditav dijapazon pod\u017eanrova u sebi, od nekog savremenog pop folka, preko novokomponovane, stare narodne muzike koja je \u010dak postala etablirani mejnstrim, do, recimo Ju\u017enog vetra, koji je mom srcu posebno drag. A osim muzi\u010dke, meni je najdra\u017ei onaj korpus folk muzike koji u sebi ima i emancipacijsku komponentu.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* \u0160ta vam se dopada u toj muzici?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Ja, \u0161to u \u017eivotu, \u0161to u radu, strahovito puno toga baziram na afektivnim iskustvima, a ona su prilikom slu\u0161anja muzike Ju\u017enog vetra izuzetno jaka. Ali to je muzika daleko \u0161ireg kulturnog podneblja nego \u0161to su granice ove dr\u017eave. Pi\u0161em politi\u010dke tekstove, meni su politika i ideolo\u0161ke borbe va\u017ene u \u017eivotu, a zbog celog afektivnog uticaja i strasti koje muzika generi\u0161e \u010dini se neophodnom za politi\u010dku mobilizaciju. Samim tim u svakoj borbi za pravedniji svet muzika ima svoje mesto. Kad imate muziku i tekst koji vam govore ne\u0161to jako va\u017eno, dobija se silna energija koja, za mene makar, mo\u017ee da ima veliki politi\u010dki potencijal. Za mene, taj potencijal je prisutan i u folku, bilo da pesme govore o te\u017eini \u017eivota u siroma\u0161tvu, bilo da kroz njih pro\u017eivljavam sopstveni emotivni bol.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* Kako gledate na to \u0161to folk muzika za mnoge generacije ovde predstavlja traumu s obzirom na to da su uz njene melodije odlazili u rat koji nisu \u017eeleli, da se uz zvuke i ikonografiju te muzike ovde devedesetih orgijalo nad kompletnim sunovratom dru\u0161tva? Gde nalazite emancipatorski politi\u010dki potencijal u toj vrsti muzike?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Kao \u0161to rekoh, ne mo\u017ee se cela folk muzika svrstati u isti ko\u0161. Muzika je afektivna stvar, odatle i toliko jaka asocijacija folka sa ratom, i ja to mogu da razumem. Me\u0111utim, ta asocijacija je dovela do nekoliko analiti\u010dkih problema i pogre\u0161nih zaklju\u010daka od kojih nikako da se otresemo: da su \u0161iroke narodne mase krive za rat, \u0161to automatski abolira kulturnu elitu od odgovornosti, da je maltene Milo\u0161evi\u0107 li\u010dno smislio turbo-folk, da je svako ko slu\u0161a narodnjake srpski nacionalista itd. Takve elitisti\u010dke pozicije, osim \u0161to ignori\u0161u kompleksnost folk muzike, ignori\u0161u i kompleksnost publike i na\u010dina slu\u0161anja. Da se malo vratim i na dramu, kao \u0161to je ovo melodrama, tako i u folk pesmama \u010desto dominira melodramski zaplet, a pesme same govore o nepovoljnoj poziciji \u017eene, o rodnoj i dru\u0161tvenoj nejednakosti, o licemerju bur\u017eoaskog braka, o siroma\u0161tvu i socijalnoj nejednakosti.<\/p>\n<p><strong>* Dakle, taj stav se reflektuje i u &#8220;Narodnoj drami&#8221;?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Da. Moj cilj je upisati mogu\u0107nost aktivnog uklju\u010divanja sveprisutnog muzi\u010dkog \u017eanra u emancipatorne politi\u010dko-ideolo\u0161ke borbe, napraviti neku vrstu prisvajanja folka, bilo da se radi o kreiranju antikapitalisti\u010dkog fronta, bilo o mogu\u0107nostima upisivanja lezbejske istorije i privatnih \u017eivota u muziku. Folk muzika je u su\u0161tini \u0161iroko, kompleksno i nepregledno polje popularne muzike, i nepravedno je svoditi je samo pod one odrednice preko kojih se ona povezuje sa fa\u0161izacijom dru\u0161tva i &#8220;sunovratom pravih vrednosti&#8221;. Koliko god s jedne strane folk podr\u017eava neke dominantne vrednosti koje bismo ozna\u010dili kao negativne, toliko ih istovremeno subvertira ili im se \u010dak otvoreno suprotstavlja. U pitanju je jo\u0161 jedan segment popularne kulture, od koje ja ne \u017eelim da be\u017eim dok radim, nego je ona od su\u0161tinske va\u017enosti za ono \u0161to pi\u0161em.<\/p>\n<p><em>Razgovarala: Aleksandra \u0106uk<\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><strong>Izvor: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.danas.rs\/kultura.11.html?news_id=332480\">Danas<\/a><\/strong><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Olga Dimitrijevi\u0107, dramska spisateljica, povodom premijere &#8220;Narodne drame&#8221; govori o patrijarhatu, kulturnom elitizmu, politi\u010dkom potencijalu narodne muzike &#8220;Veoma mi je drago \u0161to se &#8216;Narodna drama&#8217; napokon igra u Narodnom pozori\u0161tu, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":2162,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":"","_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[15,12],"tags":[110,52,34,60,28,172,58],"class_list":["post-2161","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-pozoriste","category-umetnost","tag-danas","tag-interview","tag-lezbos","tag-pozoriste","tag-srbija","tag-stav","tag-umetnost"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - 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